First potential Lease Option - need some advice please

First potential Lease Option - need some advice please

Hello folks - I received a call off one of my postcards from a person that owns their nice 2BR outright. He is disabled and moving to an inherited home. He's not interested in a wholesale discount however is interested in owner financing or a lease option. He's had it listed for over a year with a major realtor and is now looking to sell it on his own. No repairs needed. I've been going thru my books and it seems the suggested strategy for 100% equity properties is an outright purchase and not a lease option. Is this correct? My initial REI strategy is to get quick cash and pay down debt then eventually own cash flowing properties for passive income. As such, I have my eyes on the initial option consideration from the tenant buyer.

Is a lease option a good idea with 100% equity? If not, what is the best strategy?

Thanks for your help

Dave Visco

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Dave

A L/O is ABSOLUTELY a great option!

What is the seller wanting for his property? Is it in line with comps for the area?

Have your read this thread? It has just about everything you need to know to do a L/O.

http://www.deangraziosi.com/real-estate-forums/everything-else/71370/lea...

Read this and let us know what other questions you have.

Karen

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I Agree

The Lease Option is the best way to go here, the home owner gets cash flow out of the property, saving on cap gain taxes, check with tax person plus you get to help another person own a home that can't buy rigth a win-win thur a bank, but down the road say 12 to 24 months there credit is better and they can now get financing. the cool thing about a L/O is your the middle man you dont own anything you just have control of a asset. You get paid at the begining of the deal which includes a non-refundable down pmt, I would get between $5000 to 10k,, then lets say the home owner wants 750 rent then you rent it out 1000 to your tenent owner, and cash flow the difference over the next 12 to 24 months, now you can come to agreement about the price for the home at the start of the lease or wait til they decide to go to bank then get appraisal and your final profit in the end. Of remmber to come to agreement with the home owner about what price of the home well be. lets say you agree 175K you collect 5k dn and 1200 month rent over the next 12 to 24 months whay ever your lease is set up at then two years down the road your renter gets a loan from the bank, and the property goes up in value say 6% say 210k, you see the cool thing about L/O is you control the property, if the renter stops paying just evict and find another renter and start all over, I would do atlease a 3 year lease. that give you three years to find a renter that can buy the home. If for some reason it dont happen, after 3 years you just walk away or work another deal out with the seller..... well I hope this helps ya.........the numbers here are just an examlpe.

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First Lease option - need some advice

Sorry for the delayed response Karen. I really appreciate your input. I've received the sales and rental comps from my realtor and now have a figure in mind to offer the seller.

I already have another investor with tenant buyers looking in the area. Very exciting. So, now I just have to get the deal done!

I began reading thru the links you provided. Very helpful. The first few links wouldnt open. Figured I'd let you know.

Thanks again

Dave Visco


Direct Mail

So Dave, how big was your mailing and who did you target?


L/O

Hey Dave,

Another way to go here could be a L/O assignment. Where you could let the owner finance the property to a tenant buyer, and you could collect an assignment fee from the tenant. Great way to get some quick cash and help both parties.

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Dave

Finding L/O buyers is easy, easy.

Don't split your profit with anther investor because he has ready buyers. If you put an ad on CL you will be inundated with buyers. Just make sure you qualify them by running credit, cking previous landlords and their jobs.

Good luck! You are on your way!

Call me if you need help.

Karen

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Dave

I agree with Karen 100%. Tenant/buyers are pretty easy to find. It is finding the property and seller that have a deal that will actually work that is the hard part of the L/O strategy.
I have my broker pre-qualify my tenant/buyer. I want then to be able to exercise the option in 12 to 24 months. I have them in a credit repair program with my broker from day one. If my broker says these people won't be able to qualify, I don't put them in.
Sounds like you could be on to a good one with the seller. Make sure your numbers are right. Don't figure any appreciation for the next 24 months. Most likely it will go down in value, so be careful if you want to make money on the back end. You said it needs no repairs or remodeling. Make sure of that1

Good Luck,

Michael Mangham
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First Lease option - need some advice

Thanks to everyone for the solid advice. I'll keep you up to date as things progress. I'm spending this evening looking for the proper documents to get it under contract. The documents I've been instructed to use from a past training is as follows:
1. Authorization to Release Information
2. Memorandum of Option - helps to prevent the seller from selling out from under me
3. Residential Lease with Option

I'd appreciate any input that you may have.

One other question - who pays the taxes on the property during the option timeline? I believe it's the Seller but wanted to make sure.

Thanks again

Dave Visco


direct mail

I used to send 200 postcards every two weeks. I hadnt done this in quite some time. I started up again with just 100 post cards and this call resulted. I used to get a 1.5 - 2% response rate which is respectable for direct mail. Regardless, postcard postage is now at $.29. This can add up fast at mailing 200 pc everyother week.

I mail to expired listings I received from my Realtor. I track the cards that come back vacant notices and try to track down the owner. I also mail to any vacant homes I find while driving around.

I hope this helps

Take care

Dave


Dave

[quote=dvisco
1. Authorization to Release Information
2. Memorandum of Option - helps to prevent the seller from selling out from under me
3. Residential Lease with Option

One other question - who pays the taxes on the property during the option timeline? I believe it's the Seller but wanted to make sure.

Forms #1 and #2 are fine.

#3 Should be a Residential Lease Agreement
#4 Option to Purchase Agreement

You always want to have these separate. In #3 DO NOT make any mention of the #4 agreement.

If your buyer/renter gets behind on pmts it is cheaper and easier to evict than it is to foreclose. If that becomes necessary you simply take your #3 form to court.

Seller will still be paying the taxes. They are usually included in their mortgage pmt and held in escrow by them.

Karen

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First potential Lease Option - need some advice please

Hi Karen - thanks again.

The seller owns the property outright. There is no mortgage but obviously he still has to property taxes to the town. I suppose he would just continue to pay the taxes on his own?

Regarding the documents. I'm a little confused. The #3 document I mentioned Residential Lease with Option is between me and the Seller determining the purchase price and term of the lease. I guess I dont understand how that involves the tenant/buyer.

Thanks again so much for the help

Dave


Dave

The house stays in the seller's name until the option is exercised. Due to this, yes, he will still receive and be responsible for the taxes and the insurance.

The documents are between you and the seller INITIALLY, but when you find the tenant/buyer, you are selling your rights in the contract. You have a responsibility to be protecting the seller also. So again, if the buyer/tenant stops paying, it will be easier for him to evict a tenant than to have to foreclose against a buyer.

Does that make sense?

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Dave

Hi Karen - ok, now I see. I guess I was thinking of a Sandwich Lease Option vs just a straight lease option where I walk away after finding the tenant buyer. In that case, yes, I understand.

Thank you

David Visco


Dave

Even with a sandwich L/O, you still use the same forms. Same problems can come up.

ALWAYS, ALWAYS use both for any L/Os. It is just protecting you and the seller.

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In this situation

since he owns the home free and clear, see if he'll sell it to you and write a mortgage against it so he has income from the asset and you own the home. Your choices are wider at that point. Also, it is easy to find lease option buyers BUT you have to price the property correctly so people just don't think you're an idiot. As an example, I looked at a l/o property today where the house was $195,000 (comps were at $150,000), his option fee was $15,000 (I figured he was on drugs) and his monthly rental amount was at $1995 (reality in his neighborhood should have been closer to $1,000 - $1,400). So I walked away because he was an idiot and I don't have time to teach people their errors when they are so far out of the universe on all three tenets of a l/o.

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Dave

dvisco wrote:
Hi Karen - ok, now I see. I guess I was thinking of a Sandwich Lease Option vs just a straight lease option where I walk away after finding the tenant buyer. In that case, yes, I understand.

Thank you

David Visco

Karen is just saying you ALWAYS want a separate Lease agreement & a separate Purchase agreement. As she said, if anything happens with your buyer not paying, you can evict (if you have a separate lease agreement).

But if you had just 1 lease & purchase agreement with your buyer, that would make it very "muddy" for the court (they would probably make it a nightmare for you).

JvM

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Karen...

kareng wrote:

Seller will still be paying the taxes. They are usually included in their mortgage pmt and held in escrow by them.

Karen

Karen, when you do Lease Options (sandwich or wholesale), do you setup an escrow service so the buyer pays the escrow service who then pays the lender directly? (so the seller can't just pocket the money).

Also, do you ever do it in a trust (where the buyer gets a beneficial interest)? That way if they stop paying, they get evicted as stated in the trust.

Thanks,

JvM

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Jay

I don't know how Karen does it but I set up the escrow and pay the payment myself to the escrow company. My tenant/buyer pays me directly. After all I have the option with the seller the tenant/buyer has the option with me. (sandwich lease with option to purchase)

Michael Mangham
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Jay

I am only doing Co-op (or wholesale) lease options right now.

I do not do escrow. My buyer pays the seller directly (preferably by electronic deposit).

I have the seller fax an Authorization of Release of Information to their lender authorizing the buyer to be able to access the pmt records.

Keep in mind that I am not working with sellers who are in default. If that were the case, I would set up to have it done through an escrow company.

I have also never used a trust.

Karen

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Hi Karen - thanks again for your help. Sorry but if you'll indulge me, I still need a little clarification. Am I correct with the statements below?

# 3 residential lease agreement - this is just between me and the seller saying I will lease his property. Do I just use Dean's Agreement to Lease document from his site?

# 4 Option to purchase agreement - again, is this just between me and the seller giving me the option to buy the property rather than lease? Do I use the Lease with Purchase Option document on Deans site? If not, which document do I use?

Once I have these signed with the seller and I find my tenant/buyer, do I then use the same forms between me and the tenant/buyer?

Thank you

kareng wrote:
[quote=dvisco
1. Authorization to Release Information
2. Memorandum of Option - helps to prevent the seller from selling out from under me
3. Residential Lease with Option

One other question - who pays the taxes on the property during the option timeline? I believe it's the Seller but wanted to make sure.

Forms #1 and #2 are fine.

#3 Should be a Residential Lease Agreement
#4 Option to Purchase Agreement

You always want to have these separate. In #3 DO NOT make any mention of the #4 agreement.

If your buyer/renter gets behind on pmts it is cheaper and easier to evict than it is to foreclose. If that becomes necessary you simply take your #3 form to court.

Seller will still be paying the taxes. They are usually included in their mortgage pmt and held in escrow by them.

Karen


Yes, you will use both!

You can use the Rental Lease Agreement and the Option to Purchase agreement on this site. I've also posted sever L/O docs you can use on one of my posts. Like Karen said, both docs need to be kept separate and do not link either forms to each other. If you do, the court will make it hard for you to evict a tb, if it came down to it.

You would basically turn around and use the same paperwork for the tenant buyer, minus the Memorandum of Option (because you already did it with your seller). Buyers are not that hard to find yourself. There's noting wrong with partnering with another wholesaler who has a buyer, as long as their buyer's down payment covers enough to pay you guys and your seller. Keep in mind too, that you only pay the sellers down payment once. If you have to evict someone and find another buyer, you can keep all the deposit for you. If the previous tb messed up the house, you'll have to make repairs before L/O'ing it to a new tb. Wendy Patton has a decent E-Book that explains how lease options work & how to use RE agents (if you choose to) to bring you motivated leads. There are also other free ebooks & great advice on the DG website that discuss L/O tips, too.

I hope this helps answer your question or question(s). Laughing out loud

dvisco wrote:
Hi Karen - thanks again for your help. Sorry but if you'll indulge me, I still need a little clarification. Am I correct with the statements below?

# 3 residential lease agreement - this is just between me and the seller saying I will lease his property. Do I just use Dean's Agreement to Lease document from his site?

# 4 Option to purchase agreement - again, is this just between me and the seller giving me the option to buy the property rather than lease? Do I use the Lease with Purchase Option document on Deans site? If not, which document do I use?

Once I have these signed with the seller and I find my tenant/buyer, do I then use the same forms between me and the tenant/buyer?

Thank you

kareng wrote:
[quote=dvisco
1. Authorization to Release Information
2. Memorandum of Option - helps to prevent the seller from selling out from under me
3. Residential Lease with Option

One other question - who pays the taxes on the property during the option timeline? I believe it's the Seller but wanted to make sure.

Forms #1 and #2 are fine.

#3 Should be a Residential Lease Agreement
#4 Option to Purchase Agreement

You always want to have these separate. In #3 DO NOT make any mention of the #4 agreement.

If your buyer/renter gets behind on pmts it is cheaper and easier to evict than it is to foreclose. If that becomes necessary you simply take your #3 form to court.

Seller will still be paying the taxes. They are usually included in their mortgage pmt and held in escrow by them.

Karen